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Professor John Vervaeke — On Cultivating Knowledge, Discovering Movement States, The Energy and Perils of Instinct, The 4 Methods of Realizing, Studying to Fall in Love with Actuality, and Extra (#657)

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“Data is about overcoming ignorance. Knowledge is about overcoming foolishness. So that you perceive knowledge by understanding foolishness, and also you perceive foolishness as not equivalent to ignorance.”

— Professor John Vervaeke

John Vervaeke (@vervaeke_john) is a professor of psychology on the College of Toronto. He at the moment teaches programs on pondering and reasoning with an emphasis on cognitive improvement, intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the psychology of knowledge.

Vervaeke is the director of UToronto’s Consciousness and Knowledge Research Laboratory and its Cognitive Science program, the place he teaches Introduction to Cognitive Science and The Cognitive Science of Consciousness, emphasizing the 4E mannequin, which contends that cognition and consciousness are embodied, embedded, enacted, and prolonged past the mind.

Vervaeke has taught programs on Buddhism and Cognitive Science within the Buddhism, Psychology, and Psychological Well being program for 15 years. He’s the creator and presenter of the YouTube collection “Awakening from the That means Disaster” and his model new collection, “After Socrates.”

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#657: Professor John Vervaeke — On Cultivating Knowledge, Discovering Movement States, The Energy and Perils of Instinct, The 4 Methods of Realizing, Studying to Fall in Love with Actuality, and Extra

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Need to hear one other interview that ponders the character of our relationship with actuality? Have a hearken to my dialog with Professor Donald Hoffman right here, by which we talk about the science of consciousness, how notion could affect the bodily world, the holographic mannequin of the universe, panpsychism (and influential panpsychists), cosmological polytope, the usage of hallucinogenic medication to faucet into deeper actuality and work together with aware brokers, QBism, the likelihood of zero that people developed to see actuality in full, and way more wild stuff.

#585: Professor Donald Hoffman — The Case Towards Actuality, Past Spacetime, Rethinking Demise, Panpsychism, QBism, and Extra

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  • [05:31] The 4 methods of figuring out (4P).
  • [10:15] Affordances.
  • [13:04] Semantic reminiscence.
  • [13:37] Movement.
  • [27:03] Did John discover Tai Chi, or did Tai Chi discover him?
  • [29:46] Leaving Christianity.
  • [34:42] Knowledge vs. information.
  • [36:54] Self-deception.
  • [41:53] When is logic the illogical selection for fixing an issue?
  • [46:05] The powers and perils of instinct.
  • [55:05] Recognizing patterns that want breaking.
  • [59:18] Meditation vs. contemplation.
  • [1:05:30] Misunderstanding love.
  • [1:06:36] Circling.
  • [1:12:28] “God is expounded to the world the way in which the thoughts is expounded to the physique.”
  • [1:14:34] A non-theist within the no-thingness.
  • [1:24:03] Responsive poiesis and Sufism.
  • [1:27:31] Neoplatonism.
  • [1:29:16] Seminal moments.
  • [1:31:36] Pierre Hadot.
  • [1:32:43] Two books.
  • [1:34:38] Potent poetry.
  • [1:37:40] The 4 Es.
  • [1:42:38] Two bonus Es.
  • [1:45:24] Heretical beliefs.
  • [1:54:12] Panpsychism.
  • [2:00:56] Most uncommon modes of cognition.
  • [2:02:37] Jordan Peterson.
  • [2:10:27] Opponent processing.
  • [2:13:53] The best way to assist associates endeavoring to guide significant lives.
  • [2:17:50] After Socrates.
  • [2:21:44] Western phrases.
  • [2:25:11] John’s altering perspective of skilled actuality.
  • [2:28:01] One thing previous, one thing new.


“Data is about overcoming ignorance. Knowledge is about overcoming foolishness. So that you perceive knowledge by understanding foolishness, and also you perceive foolishness as not equivalent to ignorance.”
— John Vervaeke

“Cease demonizing any school and cease deifying any school. Your instinct will lead you as a lot incorrect as your cause, as a lot incorrect as your feelings, as a lot incorrect as your logic.”
— John Vervaeke

“The very processes that make us clever downside solvers [and] make us so adaptive are the exact same processes that make us vulnerable to self-deceptive, self-destructive habits.”
— John Vervaeke

“We choose up on all types of complicated patterns that aren’t actual and we kind intuitions round them, however once we don’t like our instinct, we don’t name it instinct, we name it bias or prejudice or racism or sexism or an entire bunch of different issues.”
— John Vervaeke

“Logic doesn’t inform you tips on how to go from a weaker logic to a stronger logic. I can do all of the doable manipulations inside predicate logic and it gained’t get me to motor logic. I’ve to do one thing exterior of that to really enhance my logical competence. So there’s no panacea.”
— John Vervaeke

“Sure, your feelings can lead you astray, however strive residing with out them and see how rational you could be.”
— John Vervaeke

“I don’t just like the argument that goes, ‘Consciousness is bizarre, quantum is bizarre, due to this fact consciousness is quantum.’ That’s simply ridiculous. Now, panpsychism is a unique factor. And also you don’t must be satisfied about quantum stuff to be a panpsychist.”
— John Vervaeke


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